Thursday, October 10, 2013

Similar Worldwide Rock Layers: What do they really tell us?

To begin is some general questions in brief with the research that talks about that question. Then I have my writing on the topic from the Naturalistic view and the Creation view.


Is this right? Do you evolutionists agree with your position? I tried to write it as you believe it. Do you have any disagreements or concerns or additions?





Similar Worldwide Rock Layers

a.       Folds and Bends that indicate the rock layers were soft all at once.

                                                              i.      http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v7/n4/bent-rock-layers

b.      Jumbled fossils, full mass fossil beds are evidence of a large flood.

c.       Large layers spread across continents.

                                                              i.      http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v3/n3/transcontinental-rock-layers#fnList_1_1

d.      Evidence of large strong water currents (cross-bedding) throughout rock layers

e.      If rock layers formed slowly over long periods of time, why are they as consistent as they are? Rock layers would not have formed this nicely and completely over long periods of time, if they did, we ought to see more erosion in the layers. A quick burial and formation of layers makes more sense than ancient seas at different times all over the world.

f.        Creation Resources:

                                                              i.      http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n4/geologic-evidences-part-one

1.       Follow this intro to the other articles.

                                                            ii.      http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cfl/how-fast

                                                          iii.      http://www.creationevidence.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49

                                                           iv.      http://www.icr.org/article/242/107/

                                                             v.      http://www.icr.org/article/5833/

                                                           vi.      Geology examples and overview - http://creation.com/geology-and-the-young-earth

g.       Evolution Resources

                                                              i.      http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/geology/leveson/core/topics/time/froshlec8.html

                                                            ii.      http://www.prehistoricplanet.com/news/index.php?id=48

                                                          iii.      http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/env99/env99396.htm

                                                           iv.      http://www.necsi.edu/projects/evolution/evidence/layers/evidence_layers.html









Title:  Similar Worldwide Rock Layers by Brian Mariani and others

 

Introduction:

Rock layers are levels of sediment that build up over time. They look like bands and they usually run horizontally, but can sometimes be slanted or vertical due to its compaction and formation being on an angle like sand dunes or due to seismic activity. In rock layers, fossils can be found giving evidence of the past. How did the rock layers really form? How fast did they form? How many rock layers are there? How do the rock layers compare all over the world? What causes their deformation?

 

Naturalistic/Evolutionary Answer:

 

Rock layers are formed by many seasonal flood deposits, by volcanic deposition, and by sediment deposition, especially at the bottom of lakes or large ancient seas. Volcanic material and/or sediments build up and cover the earth and rock layers are created by wind or by water when enough sediments are built up creating pressure on lower layers.[i]  A rock layer will cover dead and living animals and plants. 

The amount of lime or cementing agent is used in the sediment mixture will determine how long it will take to turn into rock. If there is a lot of lime it may take only a few years, if there is little to none, then pressure and hot water have to pack the sediment into rock and that might take “many thousands of years.” This is part of why different rocks have a higher or lower hardness.[ii] Volcanic rocks could form within minutes.

The age of the fossil can be determined by its depth below the surface, the deeper the fossil, the older the age.  Older rock layers have simpler, less evolved organisms than higher, younger rock layers.[iii] This is not “an abstract diagram: this is the actual record of the earth's crust, recorded in rocks around the world…Since fossils progress from fish at the bottom to humans at the top, we have clear evidence that life evolved through time.”[iv]

 Occasionally in the fossil layers, there are unconformities where there are missing layers in one region. Those missing layers may not have formed in that area at that time or they did form, but were consequently eroded away.[v]

 

Creation Answer:

Evolutionists and creationists agree: the ideal conditions for forming most fossils and fossil-bearing rock layers are flood conditions. The debate is just whether it was many “little floods” over a long time, or mostly the one big Flood of Noah’s time.”[vi]

Go out and find a piece of concrete and try bending it. This is one of the problems for old rock layers all over the world in that hardened rock will crack and break when pushed or pulled. But we see smoothly bent rock layers all over the world.[vii]

This could be done if the layers (millions of years worth) were soft all at the same time or if the layers were under extreme heat and pressure their shape could deform without breaking. The problem with the latter view is that the pressure and temperature would have metamorphosized and changed the rock, but these examples of bent layers are still sedimentary rock layers. The best explanation is that they were soft at the same time and laid down nearly at the same time and uplifted at the same time. This is a massive geological event consistent with a global flood.[viii]

Rock layers are different from each other based on their composition, temperature and how fast or slow their flood current is. In some layers, you have very fine grains of sediments and in other layers, there large boulders as big as cars, which means that a fast current would have had to carry those huge boulders. From their view, evolutionists can’t explain these boulders.

As different currents are swirling during the time of the flood, you would have different layers (think of them like pancakes) formed even in different places (offset pancakes). This is why there are often missing layers in one region but there in order in a different region.

Ph.D. Geologist Steven A. Austin says that “Every continent contains layers of sedimentary rocks that span vast areas. Many of these layers can even be traced across continents.” There are “six megasequences (very thick, distinctive sequences of sedimentary rock layers) that can be traced right across North America.”[ix] Some of these sequences include layers like the Tapeats Sandstone that covers most of North America and even beyond, and chalk beds that stretch across a large part of Europe and into the Middle East, and the Coal Bed that stretches through much of North America as well.[x]

Other evidences that point to a global flood are the rapidly buried fossils (some even “misplaced” or “out of place” fossils with reference to the evolutionary timeline[xi]), jumbled-up mass fossil beds, sea creature fossils high above sea level, rapid or no erosion between strata, sediments in rock layers have been transported long distances, and the layers appear to be laid down in rapid succession (polystrate fossils lie vertical through “millions of years” of deposition).[xii] The global flood would have been perfect conditions for making rock layers. 

 

What the Bible Says: Genesis 6-7

 

“Rocks and Layers” accessed 5:14 P.M. 10/24/12 http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/fossils/rocks-layers.html[i]

 

“CEM Research and Polystrate fossils” accessed 8:06 P.M.  11/11/12 http://www.creationevidence.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49

 
Pictures to add: Worldwide rock layers map, Tapeats Sandstone layer map, Grand Canyon and other Bands, Pancake pictures, Polystrate Fossils, Boulders in Layers, Bent Layers, Geologic column


[i] Shlomiya Bar-Yam, Fossil Layers, New England Complex Systems Institute, http://www.necsi.edu/projects/evolution/evidence/layers/evidence_layers.html, accessed October 10, 2013.
[ii] Bob Avakian, Time to Form Sedimentary Rocks, February 2009, Newton: Ask a Scientist, U.S. Department of Energy Office of Science, http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/env99/env99396.htm, accessed October 10, 2013.
[iii] Rock Layers: Timeline of Life on Earth, Prehistoric Planet, PaleoClones, LLC, http://www.prehistoricplanet.com/news/index.php?id=48, accessed October 10, 2013.
[iv] Rock Layers: Timeline of Life on Earth, Prehistoric Planet, PaleoClones, LLC, http://www.prehistoricplanet.com/news/index.php?id=48, accessed October 10, 2013.
[v] David J. Leveson, Relative Age: Determining Relative Age From The Rock Record, 2006, http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/geology/leveson/core/topics/time/froshlec8.html, accessed October 10, 2013.
[vi] Dr. Gary Parker, Creation: Facts of Life, How Fast?, January 1, 1994, http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cfl/how-fast, accessed October 10, 2013.
[vii] A Pocket Guide to…Best Evidences: Science and the Bible refute millions of years, Answers in Genesis – US, 2013.
[viii] A Pocket Guide to…Best Evidences: Science and the Bible refute millions of years, Answers in Genesis – US, 2013.
[ix] Andrew A. Snelling, Ph.D., Transcontinental Rock Layers: Flood Evidence Number Three, May 7, 2008, Answers in Genesis, http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v3/n3/transcontinental-rock-layers#fnList_1_1, accessed October 10, 2013.
L. L. Sloss, “Sequences in the Cratonic Interior of North America,” Geological Society of America Bulletin 74 (1963): 93–114.
[x] Andrew A. Snelling, Ph.D., Transcontinental Rock Layers: Flood Evidence Number Three, May 7, 2008, Answers in Genesis, http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v3/n3/transcontinental-rock-layers#fnList_1_1, accessed October 10, 2013.
[xi] Dr. Gary Parker, Creation: Facts of Life, How Fast?, January 1, 1994, http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/cfl/how-fast, accessed October 10, 2013.
[xii] Andrew A. Snelling, Ph.D., Geologic Evidences for the Genesis Flood: Part 1: An Overview, September 18, 2007, Answers in Genesis, http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v2/n4/geologic-evidences-part-one, accessed October 10, 2013.
CEM Research and Polystrate Fossils, Creation Evidence Museum of Texas, http://www.creationevidence.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49, accessed October 10, 2013.


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