Friday, September 20, 2013

The Cambrian Explosion: Fast Evolution or Flood Layers of Buried Organisms?

To begin is some general questions in brief with the research that talks about that question. Then I have my writing on the topic from the Naturalistic view and the Creation view.


Is this right? Do you evolutionists agree with your position? I tried to write it as you believe it. Do you have any disagreements or concerns or additions?



1.       The Cambrian Explosion and Punctuated Equilibrium

a.       How did the earlier organisms evolve into different types and the vast amount of new forms?

b.      Where are the evolutionary links?

c.       How did it happen so fast?

d.      What environmental change could have done that?

e.      How do we know how long it took?

f.        Why do we see so much catastrophe in burial?









Title:  Cambrian Explosion by Brian Mariani and others

 

Introduction:

                The Cambrian Explosion is the supposed explosion of life in which only a few simple organisms immediately burst into a large variety of more complex organisms. This was also a point in time where many organisms went extinct. The evidence and basis for this idea is that there are simple fossils in the lower rock layers (Precambrian) and in practically a few layers of time, there are more fossils of bigger and better organisms in a large variety of new animal groups in the Cambrian layers.

How could the theory of evolution explain such an impossibly fast transition of fossils in the fossil record? Could the organisms have evolved that fast? Was there more time that is not recorded between those rock layers? What could be the cause of so much change?

 

Naturalistic/Evolutionary Answer:

                Over the 4.5 billion year history of the earth, the rock layers have been building up slowly a little at a time due to seasonal flooding or ocean/lake sediments building up on the floor. As life slowly evolved on earth due to mutations and environmental stresses, small organisms evolved into bigger and more complex organisms. So as these organisms are trapped in the sediments, they are able to fossilize. Thus the fossils in the Precambrian rock should be smaller and less advanced.

                Between 570-530 million years ago, there was very rapid change of organisms possibly encouraged by greater oxygen levels than ever before and/or with the extinction event of many organisms, the newer organisms changed rapidly to fill the niches in the new environments. An ice age or “Snowball Earth” at this time may have caused the change of environments and mechanism for evolution.[i] Ozone was finally thick enough to start shielding the earth from harmful UV rays to allow for more evolution. With more underwater volcanism, more calcium would have been available in the oceans for organisms to develop and evolve their shells.[ii] It is debated, but some believe that the evolution of eyes and eyesight caused an explosion of evolution as predators and prey coevolved.[iii]

This turnover in species was pushed by “an unprecedented period of evolutionary experimentation – and competition.”[iv] Once the new organisms settled into a new environment, evolutionary changes were again small and minor changes in a stable environment. These new organisms represent the ancestors of most modern day organisms.

This sudden “Cambrian Explosion” can also be termed “Punctuated Equilibrium” meaning that the slow, steady process of evolution jumped due to drastic changes in environment led to many drastic changes in the prior species’ evolution into new species.

                It's important to remember that what we call "the fossil record" is only the available fossil record.”[v] More transitional fossils or missing links of the species in between would be expected to be found, although those transitional organisms may not have been buried under the right conditions and therefore may not have been preserved. If the transitional organisms were fossilized, they may have been eroded from the fossil record. So it is not necessarily unusual that there are jumps between grandfather species to grandson species simply since maybe Dad was not preserved.

 

Creation Answer:

                The Fossil Record is made up of layer after layer of rock that has been laid down by the different water currents before, during and after the flood. The fossils found within the layers are the animals that have been caught up and buried rapidly in those sediments. As the sediments build up during the flood, a sorting happens, which is natural.

Lower layers like the Precambrian will have smaller organisms that are less able to move and escape the landslides and sediment deposits amidst the swirling flood waters. The organisms that are faster yet still slow will be buried next. Then larger and more mobile organisms will be able to swim or run uphill or climb higher till eventually they are submerged and buried.

                It also depends on where and when the muddy sediments sweep through and engulf a specific environment. We see evidence of large schools of fish all swimming together and buried instantly. Chances are you may have seen evidence of rock layers where the sediments have been swirled and smashed together leaving a concrete of smashed up fossils, often shelled organisms, which is evidence of a destructive flood, not slow burial over long ages.

                So what are the fossils? “Precambrian fossils included bizarre organisms too different from Cambrian animals to be their ancestors.” The organisms found in the Cambrian turned out to be “fossils of all the animal “crown groups”—those groups most different from each other and thus from the most distant parts (or “crown”) of the animal ‘family tree.’” So this diverse amount of organisms would need to have evolved but “the ancestors of all 30–40 major animal groups (phyla)” are simply missing![vi]

                The basic premise of evolution is that things change slowly over long periods of time. “Without the time, the formula cannot work, and yet Cambrian fossils are a parade of well-designed creatures that lived at the same time, not in separate evolutionary ages.” Evolutionists are forced to come up with ideas as to how they could have evolved, and some suggest “that animals were actually alive and evolving 800 million years ago. But without the fossils to support their story, why should other scientists believe it?” [vii]

Evolutionary studies of the Cambrian explosion are on the verge of being more story-telling rather than scientific since there are so many unknowns and there is no known mechanism for change, just guesses.

                Our theory should be supported by the evidence that we do see (flood burials, lack of transitional fossils, totally new family groups than what existed before), not the evidence that hasn’t been found yet.

 

What the Bible Says: Creation - Gen 1, Flood - Gen 6-9, Is 54:9-10, Matt 24:38-39, Luke 17:26-28, 2 Pet 2:5, 2 Pet 3:3-7



[i] Hoffman, P.F., Kaufman, A.J., Halverson, G.P., and Schrag, D.P. (28 August 1998). "A Neoproterozoic Snowball Earth" (abstract). Science 281 (5381): 1342–1346.
[ii] Novel Evolutionary Theory For The Explosion Of Life, October 27, 2009, Science Daily, http://www.sott.net/article/195681-Novel-Evolutionary-Theory-For-The-Explosion-Of-Life, accessed September 20, 2013.
[iii] McCall (2006). "The Vendian (Ediacaran) in the geological record: Enigmas in geology's prelude to the Cambrian explosion". Earth-Science Reviews 77: 1.
[iv] The Cambrian Explosion, 2001, PBS, http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/03/4/l_034_02.html, accessed September 20, 2013.
[v] The Cambrian Explosion, 2001, PBS, http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/03/4/l_034_02.html, accessed September 20, 2013.
[vi] Wise, Kurt, Five Fossil Mysteries: One: Life’s Unexpected Explosion: What Explains the Cambrian Explosion?, November 23, 2009, Answers in Genesis, http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v5/n1/life-explosion, accessed September 20, 2013.
Wieland, Carl, Exploding Evolution: Creatures found as fossils in ‘Cambrian’ rocks have no evolutionary ancestors. And no new basic body plans have appeared since. Creation Ministries International, http://creation.com/exploding-evolution, accessed September 20, 2013.
[vii] Thomas, Brian M.S., Is the Cambrian Explosion Problem Solved?, Institute for Creation Research, http://www.icr.org/article/6507/, accessed September 20, 2013.

Dinosaurs: Millions of Years or Only Thousands?

To begin is some general questions in brief with the research that talks about that question. Then I have my writing on the topic from the Naturalistic view and the Creation view.


Is this right? Do you evolutionists agree with your position? I tried to write it as you believe it. Do you have any disagreements or concerns or additions?


1.       Dinosaurs

a.       Where are missing links between lizards and dinosaurs?

b.      Where are missing links between dinosaurs and birds?

c.       Many claim that birds have evolved from dinosaurs. Were birds around before and during the time of dinosaurs?

                                                               i.      http://www.pbs.org/lifeofbirds/evolution/


d.      Reptiles and Birds have completely different lung systems.

e.      How did feathers evolve?

f.        Evolution between cold blooded and warm blooded (maybe)?

                                                               i.      http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/did-dinosaurs-turn-into-birds

g.       How do we explain dragon legends and depictions of dinosaurs all over the world before we found fossils of dinosaurs?

                                                               i.      http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v6/n4/dragon-legends

h.      How did they die? Why not other animals?

i.         How do we explain soft tissue being found in Dinosaurs if they died out about 65 million years ago?

                                                               i.      http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v6/n3/soft-tissue http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v7/n4/soft-tissue-in-fossils http://creation.com/schweitzers-dangerous-discovery

j.        For more information: http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers#/topic/dinosaurs




Title:  Dinosaurs by Brian Mariani

 

Introduction:

Everyone today has heard that at one time, long ago, dinosaurs roamed our world. Dinosaurs were some of the largest land animals ever. Thousands of fossils of dinosaurs can be found all throughout the fossil record. Soft Tissue has also been discovered in numerous examples now. Did dinosaurs have feathers? What is the Truth about dinosaurs? What were they like? When did they live?

 

Naturalistic/Evolutionary Answer:

Dinosaurs lived between 230 – 65 Millions years ago.[i] They evolved from smaller reptiles and many dinosaurs evolved into birds.[ii] There are approximately 700 species of dinosaurs, but some estimate that there are more to be found.[iii] Different types of dinosaurs including but not limited to theropods, sauropods, stegosaurs, ankylosaurs and eventually birds lived and evolved during the different periods of history such as the Triassic, Jurassic, Cretaceous periods. Dinosaurs themselves went extinct probably due to a large meteor strike that changed the earth’s climate enough that there was poor air quality and not enough food for dinosaurs and so they died away. [iv] [v] This great extinction of the dinosaurs began the Cenozoic Era of history, in which we live today.[vi] Dinosaur fossils can be found because the dinosaurs were buried in volcanic ash or buried due to seasonal flooding.

                Because dinosaurs lived so long ago, there is no way that they could have ever lived with humans, and there have never been human fossils found in the same layers with dinosaur fossils. All the species of dinosaurs would not have been able to fit on the ark even if Noah’s ark is true and dinosaurs were still around. They could in no way be mistaken for dragons, because they went extinct a long time ago as shown in the fossil record. Dragons are fantasy and make for good stories.[vii]

Since dinosaurs evolved into birds, there are some dinosaurs in the fossil record, similar to Archeaopteryx, that have feathers. In an article in Nature, Brian Switek reports that “palaeontologists have recognized more than 30 types of feathered dinosaur.” Switek continues to say that some scientists have found evidence of at least protofeathers on many dinosaurs and that they and “feathers seem to be an ancestral dinosaurian trait.” So all dinosaurs may have had either some form of protofeathers or feathers themselves, but “the trick will be finding specimens in the sorts of fine-grained sediments capable of preserving feather fossil.”[viii]

                For the past 10 years, Mary Schweitzer has discovered numerous examples of soft tissue still preserved in dinosaur bones. The soft tissue within rock fossils that has been found shows that those specimens have been highly preserved through possibly some new process. In Barry Yeoman’s article describing Schweitzer’s journey of discovery, he writes “if the soft tissue can last 65 million years, Horner says, ‘there may be a lot of things out there that we’ve missed because of our assumption of how preservation works.’”[ix]

 

Creation Answer:

Dinosaurs are yet another land animal that was created on day 6 before Adam and Eve. They were herbivores like everything was initially in the Garden before sin. Their sharp teeth could have been used to crush coconuts or melons, etc. They were still around at the time of the flood and probably two young, small representatives of each kind went on the ark. Those that did not make it on the ark were buried in the rock layers created by the flood only a little over 4000 years ago.[x]     

So Dinosaurs and man lived together for a long time. Although they are highly disputed, the Paluxy river tracks show human footprints inside or next to dinosaur footprints and if they are authentic, they are one piece of evidence of the two living together. We can assume that not much evidence may be found, because 1) humans would probably not live near/with dinosaurs…that could be a dangerous living situation, and 2) “fossilization is a rare event” and 3) humans were probably more mobile or able to swim or float for some time before perishing in the flood.[xi]

                The Bible records descriptions of what it calls Behemoth and Leviathon, which may be a land dwelling dinosaur and a water dwelling dinosaur respectively based on the descriptions. There are countless Dragon Legends from cultures all over the world that might fit the description of dinosaurs. Dinosaurs were probably hunted to extinction, as we hear of by the brave knights of old. There are also legends of flying dinosaurs in the Americas including those called Thunderbirds in the American Southwest. There are also reports that other cultures today still claim to have seen dinosaurs, such as Australian Aborigines, natives of Papa New Guinea, African people of the Congo, and even visitors of Loch Ness among other people around the world.[xii]

                Did birds evolve from dinosaurs? God specifically explained how birds were created on day 5 and then land animals on day 6. Archaeoraptor was one exciting new find of a feathered dinosaur that National Geographic reported on that they later had to retract as a composite of two fossils and therefore a hoax.[xiii] Archaeopteryx and Xiaotingia zhengi were two supposed missing links between dinosaurs and birds, yet the evidence is shaky and becoming less in support of evolution. [xiv]Is there enough evidence of dinosaurs with feathers?

Soft tissue from dinosaur bones is better understood as being younger in age rather than the assumed 65 million years old. One would be hard pressed to try to explain the process that would preserve the soft tissue for many millions of years.[xv]

 

What the Bible Says: Gen 1, Job 40-41, Psalm 74:13-14, Psalm 104:26, Is 27:1



[i] USGS. “When did the dinosaurs first appear on earth?” Ronald J. Litwin, Robert E Weems, and Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. Last Modified May 17, 2001. http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dinosaurs/when.html. Accessed November 4, 2012.
[ii] Smithsonian: National Museum of Natural History. “Dinosaurs, Everything you wanted to know: Anatomy & Evolution.” http://paleobiology.si.edu/dinosaurs/info/everything/evo_1.html. Accessed November 4, 2012.
[iii] USGS. “How many types of dinosaurs are known?” Ronald J. Litwin, Robert E Weems, and Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. Last Modified May 17, 2001. http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dinosaurs/types.html. Accessed November 4, 2012.
[iv] USGS. “Dinosaurs: Facts and Fiction” Ronald J. Litwin, Robert E Weems, and Thomas R. Holtz, Jr. Last Modified August 6, 2007. http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dinosaurs/. Accessed November 4, 2012.
[v] PBS. “What Killed the Dinosaurs?” 2001. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/extinction/dinosaurs/. Accessed November 4, 2012.
[vi] Smithsonian: National Museum of Natural History. “Dinosaurs, Everything you wanted to know: What Is a Dinosaur?” http://paleobiology.si.edu/dinosaurs/info/everything/what_4.html. Accessed November 4, 2012.
[vii] USGS. “Did people and dinosaurs live at the same time?” Last Modified May 17, 2001. http://pubs.usgs.gov/gip/dinosaurs/people.html. Accessed November 4, 2012.
[viii] Switek, Brian. “Rise of the feathered dinosaurs.” July 2, 2012. http://www.nature.com/news/rise-of-the-feathered-dinosaurs-1.10933. Accessed November 4, 2012.
[ix] Yeoman, Barry. “Schweitzer’s Dangerous Discovery.” Discover Magazine. Published online April 27, 2006. http://discovermagazine.com/2006/apr/dinosaur-dna. Accessed November 4, 2012.
[x] Ham, Ken. “Dinosaurs and the Bible.” Answers in Genesis. November 5, 1999. http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/1999/11/05/dinosaurs-and-the-bible. Accessed November 4, 2012.
[xi] Hodge, Bodie. “Why Don’t We Find Human and Dinosaur Fossils Together?” Answers in Genesis. November 1, 2007. http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/human-and-dino-fossils-together. Accessed November 4, 2012.
[xii] Answers in Genesis. http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers#/topic/dinosaurs. Accessed November 4, 2012.
[xiii] “Archaeoraptor Hoax Update – National Geographic Recants!” Answers in Genesis. March 2, 2000. http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2000/03/02/archeoraptor-hoax. Accessed November 4, 2012.
[xiv] “Archaeopteryx Has Flown the Coop.” Answers Magazine. December 23, 2011. http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v7/n1/flown-the-coop. Accessed November 4, 2012.
[xv] Menton, David. “#3 Soft Tissues in Fossils.” Answers Magazine. September 11, 2012. http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v7/n4/soft-tissue-in-fossils. Accessed November 4, 2012.